To sum up main information about Uruguayan politics, there are 2 main parties -Colorado party
The left, progressive,wing of the party are Orthodox Batllists (who want to continue legacy of José Batlle)like Vasconcellos, Flores Mora and there is Battle Ibanez, son of Luis Batlle Berres who will stir party into more liberal direction
The right paternalist wing, (conservative batllists) which examples are SocNat Gestido and NatCon Pacheco -National party(called Blancos that formed alliance with Ruralists, Herrerist-Ruralist Alliance ruling in 1962 )
Conservative party (initially in 1962 in the Blancos you have the Herrerists (divided between Echegoyen's Herrerist-Ruralists and Haedo's orthodox Herrerists) and the UBD that is an alliance of everyone who dislikes Herrerism) whose possible presidents are Con Echegoyen(Herrerist) and LibCon Herber(leader of MNR-one of the Blancos’ faction), Ruralists lose influence after its leader Nardone dies in 1964 and Blancos in 1966 are splitted into MNR and Herrerists
questions by Sid McMath,answers by SilverImperator, leak thanks to the help of true patriot Doctor Frasco!
1Can Uruguay be called New Britanny?
1 - Well, in the sense of Uruguayan exceptionalism the Switzerland comparative is the one that is going to be used, but democratic Uruguay would probably not being able to trade with everyone (unless the Herrerists got their way)
2How exactly Nazis become problem in Uruguay?
2- The Marzist regime (1933-1946). They were hilariously pro-fash. Just keep in mind that OTL the government allowed the Uruguayan nazis to use the Boiso Lanza air base to practise air supply
3Can investments from USA or Brazil help to increase faith in Switzerland mirage?
3 - Yes it is technically possible, but Uruguayans are weary of either Brazil or Argentinian investing on the country because they would see as them wanting to subjugate Uruguay. The way to get out of the mess of the failures of the ISI model is to make a clever use of the war money
4Can Nazis rule Uruguay?
4 - Wouldn't you like to know weather boy? :speertroll:
5Would Heererist-Ruralist coalition mantaining rule in Uruguay be good ending for country?
5 - No :funnyclockman:, please don't ask Nardone and Herrera their beliefs about democracy
6Are Battlists usually pro-non-alligmnet or pro-OFN?
6 - The Batllists like all dem Colorados are pro-OFN, they were in favour of putting American military bases in Uruguay OTL
7Are Herrerists and Ruralists pro-OFN?
7 - The Ruralists like the OFN, but the people who follow the Ruralists have sus actitudes regarding fascism, Nardone dislikes fascist economics, but once he is dead the cat is out of the bag
8Is peronist Uruguay pro-OFN?
8 - Uruguay hasn't a justicialist path
8what?
24. Apart from Paraguay, can Peronism spread elsewhere in the region?
24. Uruguay, Chile.
Lonard said that
8 - As I said, no person that follows the doctrine of justicialism can take power in Uruguay (doesn't mean that there are not pro-Perón people in Uruguay, the Herrerists for example are pro-Perón)
Keep in mind I have not always being there and Uruguay's lore was different before I arrived
alright thanks for clarification
9Which paths would end embargo on Germany?
9 - Herrerist, Aguerrondo, Marzist. But it won't be a walk in the park because of the issue of Germany occupying Uruguayan Antarctica
10Will Uruguay usually prefer Brazil to Argentina?
10 - They would prefer neither, they talk directly with the US, but the only thing all Colorados agree on is that they hate Perón. Uruguay and Brazil are in a defense pact thanks to Peronist agression in the 50s
11Which party /leader is the most pro-CPS?
11 - The Herrerists without a doubt (Echegoyen in 1966 for example). As a general rule, the Herrerists hate American imperialism, and they support EVERYONE who is against it (they supported both the Sandinist and Paraguay during the Chaco War, while still liking Italian fascism). But there is also the fact that the pan-asianism thing that the Japanese believe in fits with Herrerist anti (american) imperialist thought. I imagine them saying unironically our meme of "Pan-asianism is not imperialism"
12Would Uruguay after Peron’s return try to join brazilian military alliance/OFN?
12 - The Colorados would love to do it, but some Brazil are weary of the Americans having military bases in Uruguay and so they would block Uruguay entrance into the OFN. Still, the Uruguayan-Brazilian defense pact should make Uruguayans feel safe, and the US obviously also guarantees the independence of the Oriental Republic
13Can chancellor Montero rule long or he lose power after first tno1 elections?
13 - Montero is not a ruler, he is just the foreign minister. He doesn't pop out anywhere else after the 1962 government leaves office
14Is uruguayan military controlled fully by Coloroados or there are some factions?
14- The Uruguayan military by 1962 is controlled by the Colorado Party and the Blancos cope and seethe at this fact
15Which path would usually have the most centralized economy?
15 - The Batllists probably, or maybe the FA later (if it exists)
15Can you enligthen me what is FA?:leibcry:
Sure, the Broad Front as anglos call it, basically the left-wing coalition (the one Military Brazil wants to nuke from the map)
15Does it contain Batllists and Socialists but not communists?
It contains all the left (left-wing herrerists, orthodox batllists, socialists, communists, demo-christians)
It most important players are the PDC and the Communist Party which in this timeline can't be called FIDEL, so it is called FDLN
16Can Luis Battle Berres become president?
16 - Not President, but he is the President of the Council if the Quincistas are elected in 1962
17Is Falangist coup the worst path for Uruguay?
17 - No. And I will take this opportunity to clarify something, the falangists don't start as falangist anymore. They are a Death Squad, so they start as vanilla fascism, and then when they realise they actually have to rule and have an ideology they decide to adopt falangism
18Would Herrerist-Ruralist coalltion establish controlled democracy?
18 - I feel they would like too, but dem Uruguay is not the place for that, now Marzist Uruguay in the other hand...
19Can Uruguay change its borders in tt3?
19 - No
20Are there any leaders that would try to do megaprojects or not really?
20 - There is no money :hermannabslol:, but things like an agrarian reform will be things
21What Uruguayan communists think about Amazonas, Che and Marighella?
21 - Uruguayan communists like the Uruguayan Communist Party are Eurocommunist really, like Arismendi has this quote about how doing a revolution when you can't win goes against marxist-leninist principles, but he talked about doing a coalition with progressive sectors of the traditional parties and business owner, so you be the judge
22Are there any paths that would pursue independent forpol?
22 - That is what the Herrerist want
23Are there any possibilities for Uruguay as Pakt Observer?
23 - Yes
24Which path would usually have the most decentralized economy?
24 - Either the Herrerists or Jorgito's neoliberalism in the closet, oh god oh fuck I won the primary of a SocDem party thanks to my surname and now I have to move this assholes into a liberal direction
25Can Uruguay join OFN if Brazil and Argentina choose CPS?
25 - If Brazil had broken entirely with the US it should be possible, and besides, Uruguay in the American view is the thing to control Argentina, that could easily be translated to any unruly Brazil
26What would main difference between Vasconcellos, Battle Ibanez(he is the more conservative than Flores and Vasconcellos and neoliberal?) and Flores Mora?
26 - Vasconcellos and Mora are both Orthodox Batllists (SocDems), Mora is open to accept that if the people hate the Colegiado then it has to go, but Vasconcellos is NOOOO, THE COUNCIL IS WHAT BATLLE WANTED, WE HAVE TO PROTECT IT, NOOOOOOOOO
27Will Aguerrondo automatically join Peron’s faction after coup?
27 - No, in fact Aguerrondo can get his ass kicked if he bends the knee too much for Perón
28Does Marzist coup lead to restoration of Marzist regime or that’s more complex?
28 - Yeah, there is (one) chance of avoiding that but if you fail it then yes, Terra is young again
29Who would you call better for Uruguay, Heber or Echegoyen?
29 - I feel that Gallinal Heber actually cares about poor people, he just has this conservative view that private charities are better than social programs. But in terms of respecting democracy the Herrerists are probably (don't look at the UCB) the worst
30Who would be FA candidate for president and how early FA can be formed?
30 - Liber Seregni, 1971
31 Who would you call better for Uruguay, Gestido or Pacheco Areco?
31 - Gestido no doubs. I am going to describe Pacheco. Once the workers of Mercedes went on a strike, Pacheco answer to that was to make them laid on the ground at gunpoint. And went people asked to go to the bathroom because they had to go, they were denied, so they pissed and shitted themselves
32What is the starting economic type of Uruguay, normal capitalism?
32 - Dirigism, 50 years of Batllist funnies
33Are brazilian and american corporations influential in Uruguay economy?
33 - Brazilians not very much, but the American ones yes, the embargo against the Nazis made Uruguay depend on the US and its loans
34Which path would usually be the best for economic growth?
34 - anyone that liberalises a little, it is really needed. If Uruguay had content I would advice to not go for the SocDems in 1962
35Would uruguayan communists be on excellent terms with Belringuer?
35 - The FLDN would not have any issues with Berlinguer, now revolutionaries in the other hand...
36Would Herrerists like Quadros, Adhmar and Hardoy?
36 - Herrerist like anyone who dislikes the US, so Quadros
37Would Batllists like UCR-I and Getulists?
37 - Sorry, I don't understand the question, but the Orthodox Batllism are not developmentalists, and the liberal ones are either developmentalists or use developmentalism as a proxy to implement liberalism
EDIT: UCRI likes Peronism, so that could cause some issues, as for the Getulists, as long as they are not imperialistic towards Uruguay all should be fine
38Would Jorge Battle Ibanez have easier times to help to increase faith in Switzerland mirage thanks to surname than other paths or not really?
38 - Not really, in fact as any path that wants to liberalize the economy, he would have to face the unions who are goign to fall under control of the Communist Party pretty soon in the early 60s, and they can paralyze the country.
39Would Marzist regime be on good terms with Anchorena, Salgado and New Granada?
39 - Yes, they look up to Germany and Italy, but other fashies are good brothers
40What is that once chance to avoid Marzist restoration?
40 - Do you know who Basilio Muñoz is? 🇺🇾
by Munoz you meant sth like his revolutionary movement against Terra?
Yeah that, I posted the song but well
41Does by “Aguerrondo can get his ass kicked” you mean another coup?
41 - Removed by a milico that hates Perón
42Is Marzist and falangist regime only good paths from Nazi perspective?
42 - From the German perspective the Herrerists are good, even if they are anti-Germany (in theory) because they would move Uruguay away from the US
43Are Pacheco and Echegoyen the most authoritarian democratic leaders?
43 - Yes, but the 1971 Herrerist is worse that the two
43Who is that Heererist in 1971?
43 - I don't know why I try to be mysterious with this kind of things because they are things that can be spoiled by Wikipedia, so I am going to just say it, it is Aguerrondo :hermannabslol:
44Will Domingo Tortorelli do any trolling in Marzist or Falangist Uruguay?
44 - No 😔 We have to enjoy that we made him an easter egg.
45Can Haedo seize leadership of Herrerists?
45 - Now, that is the question that Haedo and Echegoyen will need to answer during TNO1
46Can Azzini remain ecomins if Heererist-ruralist coalition remain in power?
46 - Yes, he is the economic mininster of the Herrerist-Ruralists coalition if they are elected in 1962. I wanted to put another economist to not be cheap, but Azzini was the Ruralist's poster boy, so it makes sense for him to remain. He also pops out as (redacted) economic mininister
47Will there be any special subids for Uruguay?
47 - We wanted to have an Herrerist one because they are idiosyncratic enough that they deserve it, but since Uruguay is to only receive skeleton content it was rejected
48Who would lead revolution against Marzists?
48 - :speertroll:
49Which brazilian path would try to execute Operation Thirty Hours, military and Lacerda?
49 - Operation Thirty Hours for now is only conceptualised as a Military Brazil thing, but if a thing like a radical Uruguay was too exist in a hypothetical TNO2, then if Argentina doesn't back Uruguay it would be rekted by Brazil (and Argentina too because the Argies can't allow the Brazilians to be in Colonia)
50Will milicio after removing Aguerrondo institute democracy or junta?
50 - Well, the plot was to have Aguerrondo as a temporal dictator and then restore democracy, the problem with that is that well, "lets do a temporal military coup and then restore democracy" is a GREAT IDEA, just ask Castelo
51Would Herrerists be on excellent terms with Socreds?
51 - if the Socreds were anti-US yes, these are a people who praised both Mussolini and Castro, it will hurt your brain if you think about it too much, just know they have a hate-boner for the US
52Would Uruguay send troops to any proxy or they don’t care?
52 - The Batllists were pacifists, BUT being pacifism in a world in which Germany tried to coup your government (and supported the pro-fash regime that oppressed you and killed your friends would change your outlook at things). Besides, the US asked for Uruguayan troops to be in Korea, so the issue if Uruguayan soldiers should go to the SAW should be present. Although it would be at a battalion level, so not in-game units representation
53Will all Uruguay paths try to have good relations with Iberia?
53 - Batllists hate Iberia, they loved the Spanish Republic, but they have to trade with Iberia because otherwise Uruguay will sunk into the see, the Batllists or the left in power would aim to support the Spanish Republic in the capacity they can should the Iberian Wars happen.
The herrerists yes, would aim to approach Iberia because Franco was blessed too according to Herrera
54Will occupation of Asuncion be problematic for Uruguay?
54 - In the future Uruguay won't take part of the Paraguayan invasion
55How much Brazil and Uruguay will be able to interfere in Uruguay elections?
55 - Besides sending money not very much unless it is a plot point (Pacheco's route)
56Would any presidents try leave OFN/other faction after being elected in 1971?
56 - Yes, the Herrerists would for example try to get Uruguay out of being an OFN observer
57Would Marzists and Falangist be on good terms with Mutsuhito Villasboa or Juan Natalicio Gonzales?
57 - The first yes and the second no because they are anti-German
58Can Uruguay get any money through Alliance for Progress(is it even exist in tno?)?
58 - If it existed, it would receive money
59Are there any conditions that can lead to Uruguay being navy blockaded?
59 - Normally Uruguay has US support, so if Germany for example tried to do something the US navy would prevent it, but I have not considered the possibility of a blockade to be honest
60Which leaders you would consider the best for Uruguay?
60 - I personally like Michelini, Seregni and others, but in objective terms I think the best president would be Wilson Ferreira because he manages to bring left-wingers and right-wingers to do the necessary reforms. (He also hates equally the guerilla and the milicos) now about leak
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